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    Verizon Wireless Sync or Exchange Server

    I am going to set up my new VZW 6600 to sync with my exchange server.

    Accordning to the techs for the server, all I need is active sync. VZW has whireless sync. Can someone tell me the difference? Do I need the VZW service?

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    I've been looking into this, too. Exchange2003 has built-in ActiveSync, so you won't need the VZW wireless Sync, provided you can make a network connection to the Exchange Server through any firewalls, etc... Your device is identified on the server, and when you get a message (or periodically, if you set it in such a way), it sends the device an SMS message that triggers a sync. No desktop PC needed.

    It's my understanding that VZW Wireless Sync is an app that sits on a PC with access to your Outlook (or other mail client's?) Inbox, and a connection to a VZW server somewhere. When you get a message, the VZW software triggers a sync or forwards it to your phone (not quite sure here).

    Basically, the Exchange route would be 'cleaner' if you have access to configure it from the server/network side. Otherwise, the VZW works through your mail client, which in turn connects to the Exchange Server.

    If I'm totally off-base with this, I'm sure someone here will correct me.
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    That sounds right. I use mailstreet.com and they advertise Activesync. I just need to set it up tonight to see if it works. The only caustion is the sms messages. If it sms every time you can an email, for me that can be 100 tims a day.

    To me, this poses two problems. One, it constantly wants to call up (not sure how long that takes yet) and two, you can incur charges fast. 100 sms messages a day for 30 days is 3,000 at $.02 each is $60. I signed up for 2500 messages for $20 to see how this works.

    The cost is not the big deal to me, but how this constant sms effects the use of the phone.

    thanks,

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    I think it's a specially-formatted SMS that doesn't actually show up as a message, just kicks off the Activesync, but yes, if you get alot of email, you may want to configure the Exchange Server to wait a minimum ammount of time between sending the SMS. I'm hoping to install Exchange2003 on my home server this weekend, and may have more info on the configuration options next week.
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    More info is better.

    I will post my experience with the mailstreet.com service. Cool thing with them is that I am synching my one account to both my Blackberry 7750 and now the 6600. Theoretically it all should work and will find out tonight.

    Mike

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    Mailstreet looks like they just provide an Exchange2003 server. Not a bad price, but $2/month extra for the Wireless ActiveSync, which is enabled out-of-the-box on all Exchange2003 mailboxes, seems like a ridiculous fee.

    Maybe I should look into hosting a couple of Exhange servers and providing Wireless ActiveSync services...hmmm....
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    Got it working. Seemed pretty simple so far. Only issue appears that when docked and connected to the computer it cannot synch with the server. Gives me some connection error. I think it is looking to synch via the phone wireless and cannot when connect to computer.

    Also, id does not want to disconnect after a synch. Leads to another problem, how do you force a data disconnect? Just hit end. I think that worked.

    thanks,

    Mike

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    When docked and the device wants to synch with the server, it fails and the log says:

    Unable to connect. Verify your dialup or proxy settings are correct, and try again.

    Error code: CONNMGR_36


    Seems like when connected to PC, it is not able to make a data call out and the only way it can synch with the server is through the data call and not pc.

    Shouldn't it be able to connect to the internet and sych through the pc?

    thanks

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    Think I solved this one:

    On the PC in Activesync, go to Tools/Options/Rules and on the bottom it says pass through, change it to "The Internet" to was autoset for "Work"

    It synchs now in and out of the dock.

    I still have the issue when using the wireless sync, it seems not to end the connection.

    Mikel

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    if you have exchange any ver

    extended systems server product, onebridge, is much better than built in server activesynch. synchs tasks and notes etc.

    encrypts but still have problem of either using vpns or putting something outside your firewall.


    cost is based on number of users. easy to install.
    len r

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    I signed up for the mailstreet hosted exchange service and then thier Active sync service --- some questions and comments:

    The active sync is FAST compared to Verizon Wireless sync -- les than 10 sec to complete.

    I called Mailstreet and they are TOTALLY unaware of any ability for Exchange server or active sync to be "pushed" into a sync by an SMS message ??? On the Pocket PC Active sync exchange server settings it has a place to enter the text message address of the phone under a tab called "Device Address" .. "enter the information that aactive syncv needs to notify your device when new items for synchronization arrive. Text Meassaging address for this device: ... ""
    Does anyone have any definitive experience with this? Does the Exchange Server send the text message? or does the desktop PC active sync send the message??

    Does anyone have experience with Mailstreet's Goodlink service?

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    I have mailstreet and the sms push seems to work. For device address choose other and put in your number@vtext.com

    for some reason it defaults to Tmobile.

    Mike

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    oh yeah, some techs know different things thre. One told me it can be blackberry or AS. antoher said you can have both. I have both and it works.

    Mke

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    @jcrompton

    "New to Exchange 2003 is the ability to synchronize Windows Mobile-based devices by sending a notification message to the mobile operator, then to the mobile device causing the device to start the synchronize process. This up-to-date notification allows the mobile user to have their device kept up to date with information, allowing for greater productivity and less time synchronizing data."
    From this document: http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/te...bileaccess.asp

    If Exchange is fast compared to VZW Sync, I'd be curious as to how much data is actually being swapped with each.

    I used to think that syncing tasks and notes was an issue, but then I reconsidered. If I have a copy of my current Tasks/Notes, and I'm away from my PC, where am I editing/adding new ones? On my PPC! When I come back to my PC, I sync, and now I have them there as well. The only drawback is that your notes/tasks are not 'backed up' until you do a Desktop/Cradle sync.
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    WOW! You guys are right ! It works like a charm. FAR better than Verizon Wireless Sync in that it "pushes" (causes my Pocket PC to do an active sync) within a minute or so. Where with the Verizon thing it was often delayed as much as 15 minutes.

    And again to reiterate -- the Active Sync method id MUCH faster !!!


    OUT with the Verizon Wireless sync - it stinks compared to this method!

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    What about for those of us with the unlimited PDA data plan -- doesn't the ActiveSync mode burn a lot of SMS messages (which may run into some serious $$$ on Verizon plans)? I get a LOT of email at work.
    Last edited by Gizmoboy; 12-22-2004 at 10:05 PM.

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    Basically, you could expect an SMS for each email you recieve. Depending on your email activity, you can probably burn a lot of juice syncing alot as well. Personally, I think a periodic sync would work better for me, but I don't consider email a real-time communitcation medium. If someone sent me an email rather than picking up the phone, they can wait a little bit for a reply.
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    I agree to an extent but for me it's more a matter of choice. With the email and push I have the choice of making the communication quickly or delayed .

    As for battery life, data usage, etc - I may need a little more time to tell you for sure, but I am for sure using much less data with the sync when new arrives vs my previous sync every 15 or so w Verizon wireless sync. I think one rea on is that the Active Sync takes considerably less time. I get about 25 - 30 emails during business hours (and way too much spam during non business hrs).

    Now can someone (I think mentioned in a previous post) tell me how difficult and how much it would cost to run my own Exchange server? I am currently running XP Pro with Mdaemon Mail Server. It would be nice to get Mailstreet off my payroll !

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    tried it out - pretty cool stuff. Does anyone know if its possible to spoof the From: e-mail address if I only have a .mailstreet.com domain name?

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    I have been a previous user of the hosted Exchange services - Mailstreet and then Utopia Systems. Eric at Utopia Systems was more accesible and easier to worker with and cheaper since he allowed you to just pay for the server space you used.

    I went with my own Exchange server by purchasing Windows Small Business Server - had I not been responsible for my own companies email in addition to my wife's two business it would never have been cost effective! BUT it was worth the fun and adventure and now I wouldn't go back.

    Here are the costs to consider:
    Software - Small Business Server - not cheap
    Hardware - you need to have a dedicated pretty good machine to run the server - definitely not cheap
    Know How - this is the one that I didn't consider - I thought that I could work through it myself but eventually had to have some help in configuring things (but if you will PM me I can give you the name of a Microsoft Specialist that will work remotely at a fair price to help with issues you might have)
    Other expenses - antiviral for your server - I actually pay for pre server antivirus and spam control with Postini and then I found that Grisoft AVG was the most small user friendly Exchange Server anti viral program
    - trusted known SSL certificate for your server if you want to active sync securely, more expenses than you would think
    - plus a few more (including house space for yet another computer toy as my wife puts it)

    then another machine to use as a workstation --EVERYONE warns against using your server as a workstation in any way (I basically hardly ever touch my server machine except for maintainence)

    My point is that at least for me there were a fair number of expenses that I had not thought of. But a few extenuating circumstances and the fact that I'm such a closet geek made it well worth it.


    As far as the Mailstreet question re the "from spoofing" -- you have to talk to Mailstreet I believe because I think it has to come fromt he server end of things. This communincation ability is why I switched from Mailstreet to Utopia Systems -- unless of course you just decide to do it yourself!

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