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    Television Programmes thread deleted???

    I find it outrageous that the "Television Programmes" thread was deleted. There are posts all over this forum referring to orb and slingbox. What the guy was asking about was exactly what they do. Some guy posts a warez site, and all the sudden everyone freaks out and thinks that the guys is trying to do something illegal. The guy that posted a link to the crappy warez site should have had his post edited or deleted, but you delete the whole thread? It is amazing what the moderators onthis board get away with. Wether or not you think that timeshifting, or placeshifting is moral or not is irrelevant, the fact is they are both perfectly legal, and until some old man with a wooden hammer in his hand gets paid off and says it's illegal I will use them to my advantage. I assume that this post will be deleted too, but maybe a couple people will read it before the out of control moderators get ahold of it.

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    You've been here for one week -- hardly long enough to tell anyone else how to run these board. Then, you're advocating unlawful behavior in public.

    It's not the moderators who are "out of control."

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    Ehud,

    I have visited these boards ever since I owned my 6600, which was about a month after it came out. I have only started posting as of a week ago when I received my 6700 and I was one of the first people with it, and I could not just search and find what I was looking for. I had to acually post questions. When I had my 6600 there was already so much information that I need not post anything. I have used your site and the info you have provided for the 6600 more than you know. But for some reason all of the sudden you have a very bad attitude in all of your posts, and I am not the only person to point this out. And again I wish you would think before you post something "Advocating unlawful behavior" is something that I have never done. Timeshifting, and placeshifting are legal. Why is it so hard for you to admit that?
    http://www.smartvideo.com/ http://www.orb.com/ http://www.slingmedia.com/ are all VERY LEGAL ways of doing what the person was asking. It is NOT ILLEGAL!!! Just becuase you do not agree with it does not mean it is illegal. Again do a little bit of googling yourself and you will see that this is a common thing that a ton of people do, and is not illegal. I can record anything I want that comes through my tv. I can save it and watch it in my bedroom, my living room, and I can stream it to my phone if I want. These are all things I do, and there is nothing illegal about it.

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    Originally posted by Ehud
    You've been here for one week -- hardly long enough to tell anyone else how to run these board. Then, you're advocating unlawful behavior in public.

    It's not the moderators who are "out of control."

    Ehud
    And furthermore, one needs to only spend a few hours on these boards to see that "some of the moderators" should not have any rights to be so. I see regular members all the time reprimanding moderators for doing or saying things that they should not have. There are even a few people that were once moderators that have had the rights taken away from them, for doing or saying thngs they shouldnt have, althought at the moment no one "specifically" comes to mind.

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    You know, I misread the part in your post about the old man and the hammer... or more correctly I misinterpreted it to read that you would do whatever you want, whether it was legal or not. I apologize for that.

    As to your comments about mods, here's the analogy:
    You join a local Club. It meets every Wednesday. It's been meeting every Wednesday for twenty years.

    At your first meeting you suggest that the guy running the meeting is an idiot; that he has no idea of what rules of order are; that you think Robert's Rules of Order are better than a chaotic meeting; and that you hope you can scream loudly and get your message across before you're kicked out.

    There's your analogy. I leave it to you (since as you say you've been here for a while) to figure out how much credibility your message will get... and what people will think of it.

    I'd discuss my "attitude" with you, but there are two problems with that.
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    2. The ALMS race is back on.

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    Originally posted by Ehud
    You join a local Club. It meets every Wednesday. It's been meeting every Wednesday for twenty years.

    At your first meeting you suggest that the guy running the meeting is an idiot; that he has no idea of what rules of order are; that you think Robert's Rules of Order are better than a chaotic meeting; and that you hope you can scream loudly and get your message across before you're kicked out.

    There's your analogy. I leave it to you (since as you say you've been here for a while) to figure out how much credibility your message will get... and what people will think of it.
    And there is the problem. I have been a member for 10 of those years and silently biting my tongue the whole time. I am not trying to start a revoultion here, I am simply stating that a moderator deleting a post that has "Legal" and "Valuable" Information that is specific to what the original poster was asking is a bad thing. And that the moderators should spend a little more time reading about somethign before they just delete a post. They could have edited out the "Illegal site" that someone posted, because obviously that helps no one in here. If said moderator did know the facts he would not have deleted that post. If a moderator was any good and valued the position that he has been given and did not know the specific, he would have went out on the internet and researched it a bit and made a decision. But obviously he read your post and thought that your opinion, and you wrong statement about this being illegal was right and deleted it. I think that is just wrong. That is my opinion. And if this is not the case,I would like to hear from the moderator who deleted the post and see how he came to his decision.

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    Re: Television Programmes thread deleted???

    QUOTE]Originally posted by btothec
    I find it outrageous that the "Television Programmes" thread was deleted. There are posts all over this forum referring to orb and slingbox. What the guy was asking about was exactly what they do. Some guy posts a warez site, and all the sudden everyone freaks out and thinks that the guys is trying to do something illegal. The guy that posted a link to the crappy warez site should have had his post edited or deleted, but you delete the whole thread? It is amazing what the moderators onthis board get away with. Wether or not you think that timeshifting, or placeshifting is moral or not is irrelevant, the fact is they are both perfectly legal, and until some old man with a wooden hammer in his hand gets paid off and says it's illegal I will use them to my advantage. I assume that this post will be deleted too, but maybe a couple people will read it before the out of control moderators get ahold of it.

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    Hey btothec

    I understand your sentiments, but what the OP was asking was a little bit differemt. He was asking if there is a way to watch shows his missed, not shows he recorded. I don't see anything wrong with watching (or timeshifting) your recorded show. The answer still remains that other than subsciption services such as MobiTV, SprintTV, etc, there is no real way to achieve that (legally).

    Now, should the thread be deleted? Probably not. Warez link could have just been edited, but hey, I am not a moderator.

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    And BTW the site is not a warez site... it only has information... i still dont see the difference in dowloading a tv show and watching it or having a tv tuner in your puter and watching it that way

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    Originally posted by kirewade
    i still dont see the difference in dowloading a tv show and watching it or having a tv tuner in your puter and watching it that way
    wrong forum for legal matters, talk it over with a lawyer, there is a big difference.
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    I've been posting here since I got my I600 way back when. I've not once had a issue with a mod here.

    If you're truly upset with what happened maybe you should PM a mod and ask for an explanation instead of making it a public thing.

    If you want to see nazi mods, take a trip over to howardforums.com. I was IP banned there for asking what MPT was and where I could get it after I bought a MOTO E815. Next thing I know I'm banned. I PM a mod asking what's up and I get a curt response followed by another ban.

    Effing idiots over there.

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    I feel that more searching on "these board" could have been done on this topic to be honest with you all... I'm just saying.

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    Since I posted the orgininal question to the thread that was deleted let me say this:

    I don't care if it was deleted. All I really needed was a simple YES it is possible and here is where you can go, or NO it is not possible, sorry.

    Since this is considered a "family friendly" forum, I was expecting as much. Instead I got a lot of, well, never mind what I got.

    What does the name Ehud mean anyway?

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    Well I do not know who the mod is because the post was deleted, and I do not know how I am supposed to figure out who did it. What I am saying is when people respect you and you are known in a community, and you make remarks about something that are just flat out false, some people tend to take you seriously. In this case it was Ehud making remarks about something being illegal that wasn't, and the uninformed mod without looking into it just deleted the post (taking the word of Ehud).

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    B: the OP had brought up Warez site. That was what I was originally referencing.

    > What does the name Ehud mean anyway?
    > Is it Irish?

    Only if "toviaheli" means "unable to use google" in gaelic.

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    I don't know who deleted the whole thread either. But here is the deal, toviaheli had asked if there was somewhere to download shows. Not record them and stream. The answer is no, there is no legal place to download US tv shows. It is piracy according to US Copyright Law. If you don't like that, call your local representative and tell them what you think. Boycott movies and record stores to send a message. Going onto this forums and telling us your beliefs change nothing.

    If you've got a problem with someone, take it up with them/a mod instead of starting a flame war in a thread.

    I am not here to explain other Mods actions, I am here to tell you that the forum rules everyone agreed to are here
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by IvanLasston
    [B]I don't know who deleted the whole thread either. But here is the deal, toviaheli had asked if there was somewhere to download shows. Not record them and stream. The answer is no, there is no legal place to download US tv shows. It is piracy according to US Copyright Law. If you don't like that, call your local representative and tell them what you think. Boycott movies and record stores to send a message. Going onto this forums and telling us your beliefs change nothing.


    Just to be clear. I DID ask for any info on LEGALLY downloading a television program that had recently aired in the USA. I knew what I was asking and I asked what I meant to ask.

    I DO know how to Google, but not everything you Google gets you what you are looking for, so I decided to ASK a question from some people who typically give great answers. I've been lurking at PDAPHONEHOME.COM for YEARS, and found many useful things for many phones. It was sometime last year that I first posted anything in the G1000 forum.

    IF I WANTED to download something illigally (and I DO NOT) i would NOT have asked about doing so in this forum.
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    OK Ivan, I did not start a flame war. Go back and read the original thread if you are unsure the original dialog. No one ever said anything about downloading anything illegal. I can point you to dozens of live tv stations that are aired 24 hours a day and are completly legal to watch (bbc c-span etc.) so stop trying to offset what is really going on here. This is exactly what I am talking about.... No one but Ehud ever said anything about downloading illegal anything. But the mod that deleted it and now you just for some reason think that is what is going on. Someone wants to stream live tv from the internet, and every site that I linked to allows you to do that completly legally.

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    btothec you didn't start a flame war yet but you are calling people out. If that isn't the start of a flame war, what is? Do you want me to quote where you call out a bunch of Mods non-specifically? Your statement isn't true. There was a link to a site that was dedicated to downloading programs. Even if it was just a link site, it still violated the rules of this forum. I read the whole thread and commented on it so you dismissing me as just guessing what is happening is a dis-service to me. I don't agree with deleting the whole thread but that wasn't my call. So here you are, you linked again to time shifting sites, which aren't illegal, and this thread is probably going to stay. Sorry about loosing the data, you reposted the relevant parts, so be it. That was not what was going on in the deleted thread when I commented in it. There were several members posting that downloading TV shows from sites is illegal. That's that. No one said streaming was illegal.

    toviaheli No one is disputing what you asked for. You asked if there was anywhere to download legally. I know you did. The answer at the end of the day was no. If you follow btothec advice and use a recording/streaming site then you are OK. But you were asking in your original thread, if you missed a program, where can you get it. The answer still, is nowhere legally, you'll have to wait for DVD.
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    Hasn't this dead horse been beat enough?

    It was deleted, for whatever reason. I haven't found that the moderators have been unfair before. They are MODERATORS of THIS site. That's their job! To MODERATE, and make sure that the content on THIS forum conforms to the rules establishing it AS a forum.

    If they deleted a thread, they must've felt that it didn't comply with the forum rules! Better to err on the side of LEGAL than not!

    Isn't it time to move on now? Technically, THIS thread really has nothing to do with the forum that it was posted in, IMO.



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    Betaman,

    Your definition of a moderator is correct, but the point of this thread is that there was no reason for the thread to be deleted other than the fact that ehud said that something wasa illegal when it wasn't. Then the mod deleted the thread taking ehuds word for it before even looking at the facts. That is the point. But I feel I have made my point, and I have moved on.


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