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    Hey ahmorgan,

    I really get the stares too. My i500 wears a chrome skin from PDA Jacket. They are only $7.00 for two sets. Each one lasts about 3-4 months before I want to change it.

    I also attached a slick silver chain to it that I attach to whatever I'm wearing that buttons. No drops for me this time around.

    It looks sooooooooo cool.

    My i500 makes me happy. I'm still here and I'll wait until kingdom comes.

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    Been pretty happy i500 user since my first post on this forum which was a few years ago. Upgraded from i330 which upgraded from Kyocera 6035. i500 a godsend compared to those.

    My wife wants one, but she's got so many rollover minutes accrued on Cingular, I'm reluctant to switch until we use them all up! She likes playing diff. Palm games and stuff too, but I hesitate to download because many Palm games have crashed my i500. Treo on Cingular plan for her would be too expensive.

    I think I am like most basic i500 users: need calendar, address, BigClock, calculator, and of course Internet access (not bad $15 for unlimited, I'm sure Treo etc tacks on more expensive fees). Too busy running my business to need other Palm apps. Just access all my email routed thru Yahoo or Gmail so the nWeb browser is the only special app I need. Really, what more does one need beyond that? Pretty good grandfathered plan: 1000 minutes for $45, although I'm still under the old roaming plan if I go outside CA+NV coverage area (I hardly ever). Still cannot find a more economical plan.

    Only gripes: besides the Palm games crashing and Internet access kinda slow, i500 used to be able to receive text msgs, but now it can't (I just posted on another thread about this), and sometimes the keypad tries to be too smart, like you hit the 7 key three times to want to type "R", but it thinks you wanted to type "Pq" or something -- lame feature. Also I wish there was more directional movement on screen via keypad, i.e., sometimes have no choice but to tap on screen to proceed, like with nWeb browser (no way to "back" via keypad, you must tap on back button).

    I don't use graffiti much anymore. Hate taking out the stylus, prefer using one hand or two thumbs for typing and I find it faster and more accurate than graffiti. Fingernailing graffiti on i500 yields really poor results -- and I am a former expert graffiti writer from the Palm Pilot days!

    I wonder why there's been hardly any feedback on the i600 (Windows Mobile version w/ same form factor). There's been like one post that mentions it. I bet it must be a pain to get from one app to another for the i600, due to lack of touch screen. But like I said I have ditched graffiti, so I wonder. Plus, a Google search found a Windows Mobile app that can run Palm apps (forgot the name of it), so that would solve my Palm calendar and BigClock fickleness.

    Oh yeah, my brother-in-law always gets the next hot cellphone. He recently got a Motorola Q. Aside from the non-clamshell form factor, one quick try at his calendar app and I concluded it sucks as far as getting business done. Palm OS has always been awesomely simple/fast for calendar, addr book, basic business needs. I hope Palm OS survives the long-term.

    Anybody compare i500 to i600?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superstatz
    Anybody compare i500 to i600?
    A number of comparisons done at the time the i600 appeared. I've tried the i600 briefly and my synopsis is: 1) i600 was much more buggy and unstable, 2) response time much slower, people complained that even to answer a call took a few seconds, particularly if it had to lookup contact ID/name through its database, 3) of course the biggie: no touch screen, 4) screen is smaller! than the i500, 5) battery life is worse, 6) no AMPS (analog) support, 7) dialer/modem support removed (can't act as a modem for a laptop), and of course all the issues related to WM2003 being less tuned than PalmOS for ease of use.

    On the positive side, the i600 could do better multimedia, particularly streaming mm, memory card support, external display and speakerphone. I believe the Sprint version was considered more stable than the earlier Verizon edition. Still I think its safe to say that on balance, the i500 is considered a better device overall than the i600, modulo personal preferences and priorities.

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    What what I have read (including the Wall Street Journal's cool reviewer), the Q sucks big time.

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    One could say that, although the i500 was pretty successful, the lateness to market by Samsung, of the i550, together with its lack of EVDO support, led to the closing of its market window and the cancellation by Sprint. Then the lukewarm response for the i600, coupled with the difficulties that Verizon experienced in supporting that device, led to the cancellation by Verizon of its successor, the i645. These events have killed PDA flipphones from Samsung. Thus here we are with no devices of that sort in sight. Seems like it will be 5 years or more before we see something... I'm also worried that the CDMA market is really going to hurt the chances for future developments of this sort... the market is just too small and getting smaller, since Sprint and Verizon now demand their own specialized versions of each phone and that is only going to get worse with Sprint's new spectrum acquisitions, which are not going to be compatible with other CDMA carriers in the US.

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    You given me a lot of hope Monkeyboy (not). In fact I may be a little depressed. The only thing keeping me going is the fact that I am in my second week with my new i500.

    Thanks for the info, though. I couldn't imagine why we don't have a credible successor to our muse.

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    I'm also worried that the CDMA market is really going to hurt the chances for future developments of this sort... the market is just too small and getting smaller, since Sprint and Verizon now demand their own specialized versions of each phone and that is only going to get worse with Sprint's new spectrum acquisitions, which are not going to be compatible with other CDMA carriers in the US.
    I'm in no great hurry to leave Sprint, but I view my eventual departure as inevitable. Eventually, somebody is going to release a cool, compelling phone I thoroughly love... with no hope whatsoever of getting anything comparable from Sprint for some reason. At that point, I'll likely become T-Mobile's newest customer.

    As a practical matter, EDGE on TMO seems to be comparable to Sprint's 1xRTT with an i500, though I suspect Sprint has slightly better data coverage compared to TMO. That'll likely change in another 2-3 years if T-Mobile ends up winning all the spectrum it's been bidding for over the past month.

    With a little luck, TMO *might* even be able to provision their new and existing spectrum to enable users with imported phones that ONLY support 1900MHz UMTS uplink and 2110MHz UMTS downlink to use a tiny chunk of TMO's existing 1900MHz voice spectrum for asymmetric data connections (fast downloads since they'd have 2110MHz available, but slow uploads since 1900MHz would have to be shared with existing GSM/GPRS/EDGE users; "normal" American phones would use 1700MHz for full-speed uplinks. It's a kludge, but a kludge lots of American Phone*****s determined to own cool phones not sold by TMO and Cingular would be grateful to have).

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamicanes
    Eventually, somebody is going to release a cool, compelling phone I thoroughly love... with no hope whatsoever of getting anything comparable from Sprint for some reason. At that point, I'll likely become T-Mobile's newest customer.
    Yup. I already have a Tmo account as a "spare". While I fully endorse the CDMA fans position of technical superiority, it really is like VHS vs Betamax. With the coming of WCDMA for GSM carriers, all of the technical superiority will be erased, and all the huge advantages of the GSM world will be too compelling. The CDMA carriers have the upper hand now (in the US only), but they are squandering it with proprietary, market-fracturing, non-interoperative nonsense designed to lock-in customers for short-term profit. Once you've gotten into the habit of swapping SIMs and phones on a daily basis, and switching to and from int'l carriers in seconds, along with the much larger phone selection, both as only GSM affords, the ESN-swapping hassles and fees of the CDMA carriers seem like total customer-hostile BS.

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    I'd argue it's almost exactly like VHS-vs-Beta. I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but I remember my first VHS VCR I bought in high school after years of owning Beta. It was about a year or two after Sony formally threw in the towel on Beta as a consumer format, and a brand new VHS feature suddenly appeared -- helical-scan. It was a great feature (but outrageously expensive... I paid $799 for a Canon VCR mail order), because for the first time, VHS recorders didn't have to shift gears and klunk away for 20 seconds when shifting between play, rewind, and fast forward. It turns out, Sony took Beta's best feature and licensed it out for use with VHS, effectively turning VHS into Beta with a different tape cartridge. Most people don't realize that Beta actually DID win... it just mutated a bit so it worked with VHS tapes instead.

    For all intents and purposes, UMTS is the evolution of GSM into CDMA, but retaining the SIM-chip benefits of GSM. I guarantee that if T-Mobile manages to pull off 1900/2100 UMTS in at least a few major markets (by virtue of random luck and winning the right 2100 frequencies to pair with the 1900 ones they already own), they WILL lose their last fanboy holdouts unless T-Mobile somehow screws up badly with extortionate pricing or nazi-like TOS. At that point, Sprint will have zero technological advantage over TMo, and TMo will have all the cool phones (by virtue of fully supporting any imported Asian or European UMTS phone).

    I really want an ALP phone, which is why I'm so hesitant to get a $199 PPC6700 and sign a new 2-year contract with Sprint. I want to be able to bolt the nanosecond the first decent ALP phone arrives

    It's a shame GSPDA's phones don't do EDGE. Their PalmOS 5.4 phones -- particularly the XPLORE M68 -- are really nice. But ~36kbit/sec GPRS is just cruel & unusual punishment.

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    Still here

    Bought my I-500 in April 2004 to replace an I-300 that I had for years (still miss the speakerphone and mini screen on the top of that phone, but it was a brick). Love the clamshell and can't believe there is no other clamshell palm around. I've had all the problems and had to get it replaced once, but I will likely keep this one ticking until our dream phone comes out. Mine has some battle scars from being dropped - or in some cases kicked out of the belt clip thanks to my son.

    Just upgraded to a new PC last week and had to search for/download an image of the I-500 software CD from a kind soul on this forum. You can't order or download the CD from Sprint or from Samsung anymore.

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    I just got one, and I'm happy with it. I wish I could sms with the device, but no biggie for now. I had a Treo 650, but I like the style (flip) of the i500.
    Rolling with Sprint since 3/99, and counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He123321
    I just got one, and I'm happy with it. I wish I could sms with the device, but no biggie for now. I had a Treo 650, but I like the style (flip) of the i500.

    You can SMS after a fashion. See the various threads about text messaging. Get Monkeyboy's patched version of Scott prog--downloadable from this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blazorboy
    You can SMS after a fashion. See the various threads about text messaging. Get Monkeyboy's patched version of Scott prog--downloadable from this forum.

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    I got the download last night, and I'm happy with it. Many thanks to Mb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamicanes
    I'd argue it's almost exactly like VHS-vs-Beta. I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but I remember my first VHS VCR I bought in high school after years of owning Beta. It was about a year or two after Sony formally threw in the towel on Beta as a consumer format, and a brand new VHS feature suddenly appeared -- helical-scan. It was a great feature (but outrageously expensive... I paid $799 for a Canon VCR mail order), because for the first time, VHS recorders didn't have to shift gears and klunk away for 20 seconds when shifting between play, rewind, and fast forward. It turns out, Sony took Beta's best feature and licensed it out for use with VHS, effectively turning VHS into Beta with a different tape cartridge. Most people don't realize that Beta actually DID win... it just mutated a bit so it worked with VHS tapes instead.
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    I was the first geek on my block to own the Betamax VCR! I think they were selling for around $1,500.00 and my brothers and I somehow, each got one, wholesale for $1,000.00. The tapes recorded for one hour, no "cordless" remote and there was a timer for programming it, to record, although it couldn't "change channels" by itself. But at the time, it was the most exciting electronic device I had ever bought!

    On a related note, at around the same time period, someone I know, wanted a "car phone" in the worst way. At the time, the guy was a high roller whenever he visited The Riviera Hotel & Casino in Vegas. The Riviera representative, whom my friend primarily dealt with, had all kinds of "connections" and could pull off just about anything. The rep said to my friend, "If there is any favor I could ever do for you, PLEASE don't hesitate to ask." So my friend asked if perhaps the guy could get him a car phone. After several weeks, the rep told my friend that his request for a car phone, had to be the most difficult request he's ever gotten from anybody! The rep could not get him one, at any cost, as they were strictly reserved for people such as doctors and the like.

    As for my i500, I got one of the first ones available, still have it but am seriously considering the Palm Treo 700P.

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    A. Still using I500

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    For the last two weeks I have been suffering I500 withdrawal pains. No I have not given it up (it will be pried from my fingers...), it's just that the signal quality in Shanghai is very poor!

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    I had the same problem in Santorini and Athens a couple of weeks ago... I had to make do with a poor substitute... a Blackberry.

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    I still use my old, broken down i500 that the battery falls out of. WHEN WILL SOMETHING ELSE DECENT BE AVAILABLE?

    I've been hearing the rumors of the Samsung i770 forever, but can't make phone calls with a "future possibility".

    Anyone heard of the next wave of Sprint PDA options? I can't wait long, and just might have to settle for the Treo 700wx if something better isn't right around the corner. Who was the guy posting that had all of the "inside information" in the exciting days we thought we were getting the i550? Any news / advice ?

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    He worked for Samsung and was moved off Palm OS products.

    I770 (in specs) and Treo 700 wx are MS based, at least try to keep Palm by going to a Treo 700p or the soon to be released 670 (or is it 680?)?

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    Still works OK in Mexico - blackberry users are still jealous of phone quality - after all, it is a cell PHONE
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